I am considering buying a new build property near Kyrenia. The local builder bought the land and each plot will have a TRNC title. Having read so many warnings about exchange land and the possibility of Greek Cypriot repossession if the island is re-united at some future date, I would like to hear from Brits who have property with this title and what local feeling is. Agents say claims will never be heard on a case by case basis, but the TRNC government will negotiate a deal with the Republic of Cyprus for all owners of Greek Cypriot land in the North. I am not so sure as the European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the Greek Cypriots are the'only true and lawful owners' how should I proceed?
Do not buy in Turkish Cyprus, regardless of the legal status of property for the Turkish-Cypriot government it holds no weight, as the country is illegal there for you will not own the property regardless of what turkish-cyprus government says, any re-unification or turkey joining EU will result in major problems such as greek-cypriot repossesion (although this is unlikely to be outright, you might end up paying compensation rather than losing your home, or the government may take your home and pay you a small compensation if your lucky). It is also illegal in the sense that in law, the sales act, it refers to the fact that for sombody to sell somthing they must have rightful ownership, this is not the case, effectivly Turkey dosnt own the land, the land is occupied land, therefore any abolishment of turkish cyprus would see your home as illegal and you would most likly been deported and be stripped of all ownership.
But above all it is immoral to buy land from someone who dosnt own it.
i have just bought a villa in the north of Cyprus
and i am sure its a good deal and a good property
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Our parents purchased a property in the TRNC over 3 years ago and to date have nothing to show for their money, just a very large loan for £150,000 that they (in failing health) are struggling to pay on their meagre pensions.
We are hoping that this group will be able to lead or advise those as to the possible pitfalls that may occur when purchasing in Northern Cyprus
The country is truly beautiful and the people also, but there are many unscrupulous characters lurking including Developers, Estate Agents and more worringly even Lawyers
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I see some one asked about sweetwaterbay well when we looked there all the wardrobes had been flooded so had the show house it looked like they were not sealed properly and as an architect I wouldnt touch them with a barge pole, in fact looking at all the complications there untill there was some sort of a land deal or settlement I would not want to buy there as I heard to many horror stories and they were all genuine so bought in Bodrum Turkey a ready built with title deeds and no hastle
what if you are a greek cypriot have the deeds to land in northern cyprus, that has not already been built on it.
what are the chances as building on it, 3rd generation greek cypriots where the land has been handed down from are granfather to father.
if we built and cyprus was to re-unite, we hold the deeds. it all gets confusing.
It is safe to buy property in North Cyprus. All the anti-Turk hype is being spread by the Greeks who can not handle the fact they lost a war they started in 1974.
The fact is that every test case in the UK has seen the landowners in the TRNC defeat the Greek side. The Orams case saw the Greek side defeated by Tony Blair's wife and they were forced to pay nearly 750,000 GBP in legal fees and court costs to the Orams. Of course, the Orams never spent a pence because the Turkish government footed the bill. The Greeks have never won a case and never will. Even the Europes Court of Human Rights has not backed the Greeks.
If you are looking for a good developer, let me suggest Blossom Properties. I bought a property from them in Esentepe and another rental income in Kyrenia. Top estate agents in the UK and North Cyprus work with them.
You can look at their website at: www.Blossomproeprties.co.uk. There are also other good developers, but these are the folks I bought from. Good people, prices and locations is what sold me on this company in particular.
Regardless of how legitmate developments are there are now major problems with the infrastructure.
I have friends who disregarded advice not to buy in the North. They are now in a position where they have a house that is completed but they are told it will be at lease 5 years before they get electricty and water.
The infrastructure in the North simply cannot cope with the boom in building.
It is safe and by now around 30 000 foreigners have bought their houses in North Cyprus. Turkish Government guarantees the compensation to greeks if they ever want to get their properties back. So once u got your Contract in hands, no one has a right to take ur property back. It is guaranteed by TRNC law and approved by EU Human Rights Court.
Turkish Cypriot government on its own its illegal. it holds no weight, as the country is illegal there for you will not own the property regardless of what turkish-cyprus government says.
Dont forget that no one recognizes north cyprus government.
DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM NORTH CYPRUS DESPITE THE LOW PRICES!!!THEY ARE SIMPLY ILLEGAL.
hi first i would not have a villa biult off plan unless i was here ALL the time to keep an eye out,second make sure you have already got eletric and mains,third make sure there is no mortgage on the land or home you want to buy,and last speak to other people who have bought or live here not just the first people you meet but as many as poss,hope this is of help
I used to stay in this pretty village pre 1974. I read on the Internet that because the houses had tumbled down they were built up again by Brits, Germans , French , Austrian etc. Did it ever occur to anyone to ask how it got in this tumbledown state. It was because the village was flattened by the Turks in 1974 and its inhabitants murdered. It makes me sick to my soul to think how anyone can contiuue to live peacefully in a place that was so drenched in blood. And what did the villagers of Karmi do to deserve their dreadful fate? They happened to be Greek! I hope that one day their decendants will come back to claim their land. And it will serve the present inhabitants right. It does no good to benefit by others misfortunes and I really hope all the chickens will come home to roost one day. Much as I love Karmi, I cannot bring myself to go back and see it. I do go to Kyrenia but it is a sad place for me now. The people I once knew are gone and with them has gone the heart of the town. And I know I would feel the same way about Karmi.
Before you start blaming the Turks, why not be honest and look at the historical back ground.
Why did the Turks invade North Cyprus and only Norht Cyprus? To protect the Turk Cypriots against the so called Greek Cypriot resistance fighters. Most of them came from Greek, were paid Greek soldiers and killed every Turk Cypriot they could find.
There are mass graves fo killed Turks everywhere.
And what about the Greek Cypriot Arch bishof who requested a racial cleaning?
Regarding exchange title land, Turks gave up land in the South for this exchange, so where is this stolen land?
Strange enough, some Greeks stayed in North Cyprus, not having any problems living there, quite a contrast to the way Turk Cypriots were treated in the South.
Just in case anyone has been living in a bubble, on April 28 09 the Orams definatively lost their case in the EU high court. The high court basicaly sided with the greek cypriot owner of the land. The Orams will need to demolish their home and return the land to its prebuilt state all at their expense. The greek cypriot owner is now suing them in UK court in an attempt to reclaim all damages. Frankly the Orams deserved this. You just don't go building on someone else's land. One day Cyprus will be reunified and everyone who built there (remember 88% of the property in NC was greek owned before 1974)will lose everything to the original property owners
I'm of turkish-cypriot stock I hold the deeds(pre-1974)to a large parcel of land in Paphos this land has a 200 room hotel on it I have been made an offer of GBP£55,000.to relinquish my rights to the title,guess what I'm off to ECJ,reason I want what the Greeks want lets see if they demolish the hotel, of course I want rent and compensation,the owners of this hotel have PERSONAL assets all over the E.U. so I could bring law suits in France,Holland,Italy,Spain and Portugal lets see if they gloat and smirk then,this ruling works two ways!!! AS EVER THE GREEK-CYPRIOTS START SOMETHING THEY CAN'T FINISH,GET REAL CHARLIE YOU WILL NEVER BEAT US!!! regards to you all in the south,Ossie
As a Greek Cypriot I urge you to pursue your rights through the courts. If the property is yours you should fight for it. We cannot allow any governemnt to tamper with the right of property. As for the foreigners buying stolen land they should be criminaly persecuted and thrown in prison lie the felons they are.
I am neither Greek nor Turk but I am a history Professor and I offer up this observation. The island will eventually be reunited. When that time comes what classically happens is that each side cares for its own. In order to appease the radicals on each side a sacrificial lamb is typically offered up. In the case of Cyprus everyone can rest assured the Greeks and the Turks will make sure their respective populations are okay. To appease any residual anger, outside groups will be made to pay for the sins of the locals.Based on how these conflicts typically play out, the Britons and other foreigners in Northern Cyprus will bear the brunt of the anger. They should expect to be dispossed of any property they own. Anyone interested in buying property in NC should bear this little history lesson in mind
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