I am going to South Africa in a couple of months and after what I heard from friends, I'm starting to get really scared. According to what they tell me, there is a movement of racism towards white people going on, and some of my friends are even scared of going into black neighborhoods (besides the usual fear of crime of course). Does anybody have any experience with this?
17 May 2007, 06:42
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Hi Nathalie, I understand your concerns. Just found this article on the web:
White students were being overlooked in favour of poorly achieving black students in the awarding of bursaries, a youth movement has claimed.
Universities were also discriminating against white students, denying them entry although they did better than their black counterparts, Solidarity Youth spokesperson Ernst Roets said yesterday.
“We have proof of instances in which white students with excellent results were refused entry in favour of black students with greatly inferior marks,” he said.
“Special arrangements are made to accommodate black students from Woodhill (Pretoria East) and Sandton, while white students from poor areas are passed over because they are regarded as ‘advantaged’.”
Roets named the University of Pretoria as one of the universities discriminating against white students.
Solidarity Youth cited the cases of Stefan Storm of Benoni and J J Baird of Germiston, who were refused registration at the University of Pretoria although they had both gained eight distinctions in matric.
Roets said they would consult the SA Human Rights Commission with regard to the “new racism”. “We will issue a report and ask the HRC to undertake further investigations.”
from white Europeans towards blacks in Europe is definitely worse. I've not experienced racism against whites (tourists) in Africa. In case of SA or Zimbabwe it might be different for white people living there.
South africa is a wonderful country. There is no racism in south africa but crime.But try to avoid places like Yoevile, Berea and Hilbrow.
Thats the bedrock of crime. Other places enjoy yourself. Good lucky
I live in South-Africa. It is a wonderful country and we are very proud of it. I am white and I live in the city. I am sure you will enjoy your stay here.
We do have crime. You will have to be careful not to be in dark alleys at night, or on a deserted road, or alone on the beach etc.
But, we have great cities, beaches, shopping centres, museums, roads and infrastructure. You won't be in any trouble if you look after yourself. You will enjoy our lovely nature and friendly people. SA is not only about crime. It has a lot to offer.
Racism is a white pathology. If it were not for 50 years and more of fascism in South Africa, the tensions between blacks and whites there would not have been so intense as they are today. So whites are complaining about racism, be black and live in Germany, Ireland, Belgium and Switzerland. It`s horror of horrors.
My experiences around the world have led me to see that racism and similar forms of predjudice exist everywhere, in different forms, mainly against people of color.
South Africa is no different in that aspect but if you are looking out for racism you will find it more easily than those who are overlooking it. My advice would be to concentrate on understanding the safety precautions that you should take to keep yourself safe againt the crime.
Best wishes to you and I hope you enjoy the beauty that South Africa has to offer.
What Dan said in his post is true. It falls under the affirmative action law of the country. Note that it's the law... and its designed to favour blacks above all others.
In a nutshell, companies and universities etc have to hire or admit people according to the countries demographics which means you need a minimum of 80% black employee/student ratio. You hire or admit people according to a list of priorities which have black female as highest priority followed by black male then other races and right at the bottom of the list is the white male. So if you are a white male, your chances of finding employment are really slim as you are a last legal choice.
Add to that the fact that people from former disadvantaged communities (blacks) get preferential status and huge discounts on study fees and busaries etc.
My sister in law was a school teacher and she was instucted to pass all blacks regardless of their study performance. I don't know what law was used to make that happen but it was a spirit killer to most teachers who got saddled with students who thus had no motivation to make an effort and to non-black students who noticed that their black classmates passed 'anyway'.
The crime is another story. Most houses in JHB where I lived had electric fences to deter burglars etc. I can go on for hours...
But if you can overlook all that, its a great country yes.
I am Black African living in South Africa.
It is so irritating to read complaints from so many white people in South Africa yet it is probably one of the most beautiful countries in the world, with diverse cultures and traditions. Crime is a problem yes but affirmative action is far from racism. Racism is what the Apartheid government instigated and what almost any black person has experienced from white people. All the people who are complaining about Affirmative action should please let us know how they expect black people to get out of the poverty quagmire that was brought about by the white South Africans?
South Africa has its problems just like other countries but Black on White racism is not one of them in fact to the contrary black people go out of their way to accommodate racist white people in South Africa.
It is ironic how White people complain about racism yet am sure so many of them don’t even know the second names of the gardeners and house helps who work so hard to make their lives better. They pay them peanuts yet they know these people have the similar needs to them
Nathalie should tell us about her experience in Beautiful South Africa when she finally visits.
WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD A NEW NATION HERE. BUT CAUCASIANS IN SOUTH-AFRICA DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A SAY OR ABILITY TO HELP REBUILD. IT IS AS THOUGH CAUCASIANS MAY NEVER GIVE THER HONEST OPINIONS, AS IT IS OFTEN SAID YOU AR A RACIST IF YOU DISAGREE WITH A BLACK PERSON. THIS IS A DEEP LYING ILLNESS, WHICH CAN ONLY BE CURED BY FAITH AND PRAYER. MOST CAUCASIAN PEOPLE WORKING CURRENTLY IN SOUTH-AFRICA I SUPPOSE AND I KNOW STAY HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAITH THAT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WILL HEAL THIS LAND.IT IS A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY JIMMY, BUT THE LORD IS THE KING OF JUSTICE AND THROUGH THE AGES HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN CHARGE AND LET JUSTICE PERVADE. AND SO HE WILL. CERTAIN PEOPLE APPLYING APARTHEID IN THE PREVIOUS ERA WERE TERRIBLE. BUT MOST CAUCASIAN PEOPLE WERE KIND-HEARTED, KNEW THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR THEM, AND HELPED THEM. LIKE ALWAYS, ONLY A FEW WAS TERRIBLE, LIKE IN THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT.MY GRANDFATHER WHO WASN'T EVEN REALLY A SOUTH-AFRICAN BUT SCOTTISH AND THE OTHER ONE DUTCH WERE LOVING NON-RACISTS. AND SO MANY OTHERS. THE POOR WERE LOOKED AFTER WELL ETC. IN ANY CASE, THE QUESTION HERE IS NOT WHO IS WISE AND WHO IS FOOLISH, OR WHO DID RIGHT OR WRONG,BUT WHO KNOWS WHO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST , YAVEH, IS. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TRUE GOD AND FALSE GOD, IS THAT HE WHO MADE THE HEAVEN AND EARTH, ALSO GAVE HIS LIFE ON THE CROSS TO FORGIVE ALL OUR TRESPASSES, WHITE AND BLACK AND PINK AND YELLOW. 2 Chronicles 7:12-16 reads,7:13 'If I shut up the sky so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; 7:14if my people, who are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.' THERE IS MUCH UNFAIRNESS IN THE WORLD, BUT IN THE END THE QUALITY OF LIVES WE WILL LIVE, DEPENDS LARGELY ON WHETHER ALL(BLACK AN WHITE) OF US HUMBLE OURSELVES, BURY OUR HATE AND TRY THE MOST DIFFICULT - TO LOVE AN FORGIVE TRUELY. THEN THE LORD WILL HEAL OUR LAND. BUT CURRENTLY IT IS STILL VERY SICK.
I KNOW THAT IN A LOT OF BLACK, YELLOW ETC PEOPLE'S EYES, WHAT IS CURRETLY HAPPENING WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, THEY DON'T AGREE WITH. HISTORY SHOULDN'T REPEAT ITSELF, LET US THE YOUNG BE WISER THAN THAT! HARD WORK IS WHAT GIVES YOU A RIGHT TO EAT, NOT THE COLOUR OF YOUR SKIN.
ANOTHER THING, JIMMY, YOU ARE SAYING THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE PEOPLE WORKING FOR THEM AND PAYS THE PEANUTS. THAT IS A BIG GENERALISATION. DO YOU KNOW EVERYONE. MOST PEOPLE I KNOW CARE MUCH BETTER FORTHEIR PEOPLE THAN THE STATE WILL EVER CARE FOR THEM. THEN AGAIN THERE ARE BLACK SOUTH-AFRICANS EXPLOITING POOR MOZAMBIQUE AND ZIMBABWEAN REFUGEES, BY LETTING THEM WORK IN THEIR HOUSE FOR BREADCRUMBS. THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE AND BAD PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. WHEN I DRIVE AND IT'S RAINING HARD, YOU WOULD SEE FOR EXAMPLE A CLEANLY DRESSED HOUSEHOLD WOMAN RUNNING TO GET AN EARLY ENOUGH TAXI BECAUSE SHE'S AFRAID TO BE ON THE STREETS AFTER DARK (BECAUSE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T KEEP THE BASIC THING LIKE LAW AND ORDER).THEN AN EXPENSIVE CAR WITH A BLACK DRIVER PASSES HER AND WETS HER, AND ANOTHER CHEAP CAR WITH A WHITE DRIVER WETS HER,AND A TAXI DRIVE PAST AND WETS HER. AND THEN A RICH OR POOR WHITE OR BLACK MAN STOPS AND HELPS HER. WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN ? BECAUSE THERE ARE GOOOD AND BAD PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.....
NOW I'M CONCERNED FOR MY CHILDREN TO STAY HERE, BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE LOVELY WOMAN WORKING FOR ME AND HER FAMILY , WHEN I LEAVE AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE AN INCOME ANYMORE.WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ALL THE GOOD-HEARTED PEOPLE WHO WORKS IN HOUSES WHEN ALL THE CAUCASIAN NEEDS TO LEAVE. THIS MAKES ME CRY AND VERY SAD. SO, STOP WITH RACISM NONCENSE AND APARTHEID THOUGHTS AND AFFIRMATIVE ACTION NONSENSE AND BUILD UP AGAIN! WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND WILL NEED ENTHUSIASTS AND POSITIVE THINKERS ONLY TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE.YOU YOUNG BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD START STANDING UP AGAINST AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, BECAUSE NO COUNTRY CAN BE BUILT ON INJUSTICE. THE YOUNG CAUCASIOAN SOUTH-AFRICANS OF TODAY CAN'T BE PUNISHED FOR THE PAST, MOST WEREN'T EVEN BORN YET.
Did we give 100% of the jobs to whites only - no that is what black people are doing. 100% of the tellers are black - walk into any supermarket, mall, you name it. The did not leave a single white person. During apartheid 70% of the workforce was black, millions worked in mines and although a lot were not middle or top management, none the less, they had jobs.
But the new government is taking away every single white job. It is a 70% worse racist situation than that which existed under apartheid.
first all it is NOT A WHITTE MANS CONTRY but yet white man is controling it some thing that does not belong to them and black people are getting vexed about that 1 of the main reasons. it is time black people come together and strike back and take back whats rightfuly are's enuff said
I'm a white student studying Biological science I really don’t mind if a black person gets in for vet if he worked as hard as I did. The problem is that most of them didn't. There is racism against white people like the hundreds of white farmers that murdered on their farms are seen as crime not racism. But the world does not know about it. Affirmative action is dividing the people even more. So my friend what’s happening in South Africa: There is racism both ways black people are even more racist they gust call it crime if a black person does something to a white person and racism the other way. The government are forcing people to live together as one nation but there is still affirmative action. Most black students think we still want to take their jobs but we just want to leave and get our own place in the sun. So rather go to a safe place in the sun then to come to S.A.
I do not call myself a racist, but rather a culturalist - I do not want to be part of the black culture, I am proud of my white culture and wish to maintain it. I am just as sure that the blacks are proud of their culture, let them have it, but stop forcing us to accept each others culure all the time!! I dont have a problem being white, but it seems that all the blacks have a problem being black and carry a chip on their shoulder about it. Get used to it - you are black, accept it. I can have a debate with a white person and there is no personal attack on the individual. as soon as you argue with a black you are racist and demeaning to them.
Secondly, I feel that white south africans handed power over to the blacks far too quickly. they have never run this country before and had no idea how to do it. we should have had at least a 5 year handover period to train them how to be managers and operate in positions of authority and responsibility - no wonder we are in such a mess with electricity, health, roads, education the list goes on and on.
Bring back white power and let us get this country right again and then try and gradually integrate society.
longing for the old way of life
20 Mar 2008, 07:01 -
Whites are being tortured and murdered everyday because of their skin colour. They get burnt with irons, raped while their husbands are forced to watch and beaten to a pulp. Sometimes this is just for fun, other times they actually take a DVD player or a cell phone. Our news papers are full it. Life means nothing here, and the government turns a blind eye. Government officials are corrupt, police can be bought with R10 (approx 1 pound) and they too turn a blind eye. Everything that goes wrong in SA gets blamed on Apartheid, i.e. the white people, although we’ve had a black government for 14 years now. 250,000 whites have left SA since 1990, mainly because of crime. I myself have been looking to immigrate, and have not yet met a skilled white person in the past month that is not doing the same.
The black people in South Africa need to come to terms with the fact that everybody currently has a right to be there. If it wasn't for the original white settlers from Europe (who put South Africa on the Map might I add) they'd all still be living in Mud Huts, hunting for food!!!
The economoy was built up with the white mans brains, and money and without that - they'd also still be living in mud huts and hunting for their food.
We have a HUGE problem with crime - and people say the white people are racist towards the blacks, but we are upset with them, because the vast majority of break-in, rapes, crime related violence etc. are carried out by black South African citizens.
The root of all the above problems offcourse can be traced back to the government. In the initial 1994 election they made all sorts of promises that will be brought into effect if the ANC won the election....which they did and never honoured. The money that was supposed to improve the "previously disadvantaged" is being applied to add to the president and his ministers ever expanding fleet of cars and expensive toys. If money were really applied to improving peoples lives we'd see a difference and reduction in the crime as well.
So instead of the government putting their money where their mouths were, they bring into force things like affirmative action and treat the whites horribly as they think this will satisfy the STILL UNDERPRIVILEGED black people....but the truth is, it will only be so long until their former supporters get fedup with the current state of affairs, but the problem is, by then it would have been a long hard struggle and too many will be too tired to do anything about it.
Siener Van Rensburg predicted that a woman from Europe will raise up a German force that will come to SA and help the whites take back and re-build the country....I hope it's true and that the day comes sooner rather than later...before there is truly nothing left.
Black boy....your comments are reflective of the true nature and hatred the black man has towards the white people in south africa...and then people still ignorantly dispute that blacks are racist? You want to gang up and strike back....hello??? where have you been in the last 10 years since everything has gone to shit...probably sleeping on a rock somewhere in the sun -like a piece of shit, hoping you'll turn white.
Eventhough there was apartheid, the whites have always worked hard, and so have some of the blacks. All that's happening now in South AFrica is that all that hard work is being flushed down the toilet and replaced by a less competent, less qualified, somewhat darker version of the original prototype. If the blacks and their government is so great why are their own people worse of now...and a greater margin of the black population unemployed than before apartheid??
None of our cabinet members have the class, culture or discipline to execute a plan or motion with any success -why would any of their followers / supporters or employees be able to do it.
May I also say that not all black people are bad - some of them are the salt of the earth with hearts of gold - but they can be found only far and in between certain generations.
I don't see how anything can change for the better at the moment, but by the grace of God and an intervention by a German Legion, hopefully we'll get there.
I will be the first to admit that SA has problems and deep rooted problems at that. I think the increasing debate and lack of action creates the race divide even more that it is. We all need to live a balanced and equal life. We have to admit the the previous white people did have it better than any other race in SA, and the blacks were the worst of. But we can not continue with this talk of striking back at the white folks. If we do that, it is racism and we can not label it any other way. We need to realise that we all need to make SA work for each any every one of us, and more importantly, we need to stop this eroding attitude we have towards each other for the future generations.
Once again the ignorance of some white people prevails,after they oppressed blacks for many years and causing the troubles in South Africa all you can do is blame the black people.Sad very sad.As a young black student working hard and surpassing even the white students i find the stereotype of all blacks as being under achievers to be beyond ignorant
Just go to most web sites for stats, and you will find affirmative action(inverted racism)IE. Scroll down to employee stats http://www.fshealth.gov.za/
You are not safe, many visitors get killed.Sorry not a racist but cannot see what the ANC govt has buid since they are empowered, i can see what has been broken down, just the opposite.I do not agree with affirmative action as it is done, they get rid of experience people to employee people with no skills, and still use the same excuse of "apartheid", how long will they use this, to hide the fact they cannot manage and they cannot build up, destruction like Zim, they are good with. Look at the scandals about electricity, the railway, mines etc.Even crime prevention they cannot handle and it went out of control.They live for today and tomorrow is not think of. I think white South Africans did a wonderful job of building up the country, with all these masses that do not realy want to work, and just want everything the easy way and mahalla(for free), this is there way. This is how our ancestors find them sitting arround the huts and dream, if there was no colonialism, Africa would still be a dark continent, with zero development, nobody driven them into poverty, they are fatter and better off than ever, it is time they look at Zim and Ethiopia where the "white man-magic" is non existing, and be thankful we are there to still feed them. Get rid of us will be self destruction like the other African countries
WE WILL FIX THE INBALANCES COUSED TO A GENERATION BY ASSISTING THE FOLLOWING GENERATION. BLACK CHILDRED ARE GETTING REWARDED FOR THE SUFFERING OF THERE PARENTS. AA IS INPLEMENTED IN ORDER TO RECTIFY DAMAGES COUSED.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN 15 YEARS? ARE WE GOING TO GO THE SAME PARTH AND INPLEMENT MESURES TO FIX THE DAMAGES COUSED BY AA IN THE PERIOD 1990 UNTIL 2010. WE THE WHITES ARE SUFFERING. WE ALSO DONT HAVE ACCES TO TOP SCHOOLS, UNIVERSITIES OR JOBS. EVEN IF WE HAD ACCES OURE PARENT ARE JOBLESS AND CAN NOT AFFORD PAYING. IN OTHER WORDS WE ARE FUKKED.
LASTLEY JIMMY YOU CLEARLY DID NOT DO TO BAD YOURESELF. QYUITE INTELLIGANT FOR SOMEONE THAT WAS WITHELD OPPORTUNITIES. I BELIEVE YOU TAKE YOURE VICTIM AS HE COMES. WHITES DO NOT NO HOW BLACKS FEEL ABOUT APPARTHEID AND BLACK CLEERLY DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE DAMAGES COUSED IN THE NEW RASIST SOUTH AFRICA. VERY LITTLE WHITES FEEL WELCOME IN THE CORPORATE WORLD.
I dont understand why we should suffer for what happend sooooo long ago...
PEOPLE APARTHEID IS LOOOONG GONE GET OVER IT!!!!!
Why are us white people getting all the flack for what happend back then...I was not even born then!!!!
SA is a GR8 country but the crime is wayyy to violent and the cops useless and the laws rediculous!!!!
Someone needs to do something before SA goes under!!!!
We just want to live safe and happily like everyone else!!! Bur getting a job in SA and being white!!IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!....
I have no problem with whites ppl, black ppl, clrd ppl......but it is unfair!!!!
Anger and emotions tend to hide a lot of reality. Believe it or not. The opinions of South African whites and South Africa blacks will always differ. And both are right. Racism, crime, Affirmative action or employment equity are South African issues. White South Africans will never support or understand Affirmative actions simpley because during their growing up, they have never share the same pain or knowledge with the blacks. Their working hard was rewarded, promoted and recognised. For them was true to say 'If you work hard, you will earn'Full stop. That is why 'they feel like they have work hard to build South Africa' Which is a biased story. However there is a group of black people, who worked hard and never get recognised. Even today there is 'some' of white South Africans who are denying the fact that black South Africans are educated. They will never understand the government, because they share nothing with black Africans, even though they are Africans, funny hää. If you LEFT South Africa in the 80S and come back now, you are likely to find a black person owning a house next door. He is not given by the government but he just afford it. So, black people can tell you about help they got from Affirmative Actions and all these. Concerning the state of the country, rules were required to honour blacks. Even though they study together in class, share the same teacher and text books South African whites still undermines their education. If these words can come to pass 'to be judge not according to the colour of your skin', South Africa will be the best country. The truth is I am white, I observed these during my work in South Africa. And I love South Africa.
I'm a black woman&I knw that without Affirmative Action i'd b nowhere coz most of the jobs require 5-10yrs exp &Afrikaans.More&more blck people are opening up their CO. &they're doing well.Change,envy&loosing control is painful,Dont resist-embrace change
South Africa is going wayyy downhill. I lived in South Africa for the first 12 years of my life, so I know what it's like... I am not being racist in saying that there are alot of jobs being handed over to dark skinned people. If I was an employer in South Africa at the moment, I would hand it over to someone who knows how to do the job. With all your power blackouts, you need to employ people that have experience...not because they are dark skinned. Seriously, if you come to Australia, you don't have to look over your shoulder every 5 seconds when walking down the street, you don't have to fear for your safety.
I moved here because of the future (or non existent future) that I had in South Africa. I'm not saying that Australia doesn't have problems, because they do have problems.
Owning a caravan park here, we have had SO many people fleeing England because of racism.
And seriously guys, just watch what you say, as someone else said before we are all human. The longer you draw this "blacks are crap" and white is good" or "white is crap and black is good" just draws it on longer, there seriously is no point in carrying it on. If you want S.Africa to be better, the change starts with you and your attitude toward each other.
You lived in SA for the first 12 years of your life? Big deal . . . you are void of bearing true witness to the change SA has undergone. Let me ask you . . . do you feel SA betrayed you? Do you feel you were forced to leave SA beacuse of either crime, BB-BEE or because you felt your economic resources were under threat? You say there is not future for SA - don't you think that is somewhat pessimistic? Come on . . .surely there is a future for SA, just not the future you pictured. This is Africa, things are done differently as they are in Asia, South America, EU, US and the Middle East.
However, I am intruiged to know why you people are fleeing the UK because of racism. I would be grateful if you could elaborate.
Just seen the first post was in May last year, this poor woman wanted to know what it would be like to come to SA and in true SA style, we find ourselves debating the very core of being. Quite funny really. Can't we all just get along?
South African Persistence
22 Apr 2008, 07:49 -
Kate, take a look around you...it's not hard to see that there are serious problems over there...the reason why I said I was in South Africa for the first 12 years of my life is so you could know that I have experienced living in South Africa. Partly because of the crime, (both neighbours being robbed). Ok, next time, walk into a bank, and you can see there is such high security it is scary.
Yes, South Africa does have a future, just to me, myself is not where I would want to live. I accept that your opinion is different.
You want me to elaborate on UK, I cannot speak on my behalf...but owning an accomodation business, so many people tell us about whats happening over there. It may not necessarily be racism, just the movement of different religions that are taking over and starting to control the country.
I ask you Kate, have you ever been outside of South Africa? I seriously DO NOT find satisfaction with living in houses wired with alarms and wondering when it would be your turn to be burgled next. Excuse me if I have offended anyone, because this is what I strongly believe in and it really does make sense to me that one should not have to live in fear.
I've just finished reading this thread and I must say that I'm a bit shocked. I'm Scandinavian and I just recently considered moving to south Africa for employment. I have a family with children and hence I wish to educate myself a bit about the country before accepting my new position. It's very strange how little of what you tell here actually is presented through media. My general impression of South Africa is that indeed there are problems but it's a transitional period and most likely it will be a stronger more together nation once passed. I would say that the general impression of SA in Scandinavia actually is that of a successfull nation with great riches and possibilities to an outdoor lifestyle in the sun. I guess after reading this thread my view is considerably different. Never realised that it was this bad, how sad.
Like the gentleman before me I have just read through this thread, I was thinking of going to visit a gentleman I met some months ago in England. He did say it could be dangerous in places but nothing like I have read here. What an awful pity as I have found some things on the net positive. But again these were written by companies looking for investors. Hopefully some day you can all live together.
As a non South African much in the same position as "Viking" looking into the possibility of relocating to South Africa, I must say that no matter "white" or "Black" you are overall "South African" and to the outside world you are not being shown in a positive light whatsoever. Get your house in order, work together, care for each other, and have a sense of pride.The past cannot be rectified but the future can..start loving each other and the rest of the world will follow suite...until then you are just the rowdy neighbors that no one wants to associate with. There is no going back,only forward, so it about time you put your best team on the field and play a fair game that you all can be proud of.
In a nutshell, two wrongs do not make a right, stop embarassing yourselves, and get it together.
Amazing how many of our well to do, educated black South Africans were actually schooled under the "poor black education" during apartheid. If it was so poor, why are they now so well educated and leading in industry etc. You may reply that they went to study overseas - sure, some did, but it is still a recognised fact that your foundational education is of primary importance in determining your later academic successes.
So dont give me crap that Apartheid education was so bad and that we mistreated blacks during apartheid - all we wanted was to develop ourselves independently as white people and prevent ourselves from being subjugated as we are now - and this is our country as much as any other South Africans.
I am a white South African, wh6 has had the benefit of studying the social sciences in South Africa. I specialised in the history of political makeup of South Africa during Apartheid and the new dispensation. People do not have their facts straight... Firstly, affirmative action has not worked in that there is still massive socio-economic inequalities along racial lines in SA- open your eyes and look at your country and you will realise this. Secondly, Apartheid was economically disastrous for our country, not only did the ANC govt inherit a bankrupt heavily indebted state but the economy was in full recession and the inflation rate had been in double figures for 25 years. Given that the economic policies of the ANC govt are remarkable. It is time that young South Africans actually formed their own opinions and actually began practicing their some repsect for others. Also get your facts straight before engaging on a tirade, it will show you that more than half of senior level management is white male in SA, we continue to dominate the economic spectrum- all stats reflect this. Furthermore, govt departments do not neglect skills, they crave them- reflected in the stats again. I strongly believe that it is not a desire to see the past forgotten about and drive for the future that prompts such racist responses as I have read here, but rather white guilt. Even if our parents did not support apartheid, they were the only people who could change the system easily with the vote and they didn't. In political terms that reflects responsibility. THe white youth of South Africa need to embrace that responsibility, realise that Apartheid will have massive social conseqeunces for many years to come and accept the sins of the father are visited upon the son/daughter. We are the generation that has to make the wrongs of those before us right!!! I relish the opportunity to continue making my amazing country the place in history it deserves!!!
WE are a nation in transition... The difficulties and stereotypes created int he past are very difficult to overcome. The apartheid state was so intensely indoctrinating that people believed they were doing such good things but they weren't. The ridiculous nature of the responses posted on this thread shows this blinded, ignorant way of thinking. Truly we are a nation in the sun where there is so much opportunity and great people white, black, coloured and Indian. We may have our problems but show me a country with such a terrible past that doesn't. Honestly, apartheid was a crime against humanity, the only other system to have this notorious distinction is nazism. I love it here and I am a family man with a young family and I honestly would not want to raise my children ANYWHERE ELSE BUT HERE!!! I say bring your family over for a holiday expierience all we have to offer and then decide but I promise there is so much more good and right here than is wrong, that is the truth!
Honest White boy, it's people lke you that have SA, where it is today, on it's knees.please go to another counry we do not need you. You are a disgrace. You think you are so educated but you only learn modern modified history, as the new Government want you to believe. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and people of all races can feel the difference of mis enpowerment the current government does. They fail in there job, they took a country that was on the map to just another 3rd world country in SA, and in a few years another Zim, one of these days with already almost 4 million illegal immigrants, and the rest on its way, the murders and riots will be back. Personally i think SA was better off under sanctions, in comparison to affirmative action. Who would guess, Natalie included that 12 months since the 1st letter posted year that all the shit will turn loose in SA, caused by our loving non criminal local black gentleman, killing poor hungry Zim Immigrants, just because they feel threatend, as these people know how it is to live in a African country whhere there is no more "white man magic". This knowledge sparc them to work harder as the local black gentelman, causing conflict. Again failure from the current SA government as they should have know they need to get mad Mugabe to understand if you get rid of the most hated white farmers (boere), the end result will be no food, a dead country, and those affected, the Zim people themselve will end up, to be SA's biggest problem. The poor white people that still have jobs and a few blacks to there utter best to "carry" a majority of lazy criminals almost 20 million, plus about 4 million illegal immigrants, if we do not forget the bunch of drug smuggling Nigerians. It is just impossible for such a minority of people to carry such a majority, the ratio is about every 1 hard earner need to carry 12 plus non workers, that just act as parasites.Honest White boy take a few million of your black brothers and go to Iceland they love them
Bllod Diamond, it is time you woke up and smelt Africa, its out there and it belongs to Africans. That means anyone who is willing to embrace it as their home and prepared to make it right. Now don't tell me that I only learnt the history that modified history.. I was white schooled during Apartheid and found the lies fed by the Afrikaner government intolerable when compared to the truth. Like the voortrekkers came to open spaces on the highveld, they did not, they kept records to this regard (records I have read when working through the archives and contributing to a new matric history textbook.) I have been an historian my whole life and I know that it is a post modern field, that means written by the influences of the time and the ultimate victor. But blood diamond, your apparent ignorance shocks me, there are not 20 million criminals in South Africa, the nature of the statistic is impossible to be measured because then they would have been caught, it is too greater an assumption to make with any conviction. You also criticise the xenophobic attacks a truly horrific and sad event, yet generalise Nigerians as drug dealers. It seems blood diamond that you are confused about who you really are, you lack identity and what little you have is very uncomfortable fit. You porfess such prejudice and unwillingness to accept the right of African people to control their own desgtiny in the own motherland but want us to leave... This is our continent, it belongs to those who want to make it work and not carve out some click of racist hate. Perhaps, you need to relfect on yourself adn realise that if you want to call this beautiful country your home then you must accept and I dare say embrace the way forward, if not you are just a freeloader that will never be accepted and never feel at home. I weep for people like you without a home... die vaderland is dood!!!
ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD GET WHAT THEY DESERVE AND IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE TO KILL BLACKS THEN WE SHOULD FORM A GROUP THAT LOVES TO KILL WHITES AND BURN A CONFEDERATE
FLAG IN THERE YARD SO F*** U KKK
i am a white south african and i had to leave my country because i simply could not find a job. i went to the us for several years and am getting ready to marry an american girl. if you think i'm going to take her to a country where she could get raped and murdered because she is white you are out of your mind. i have to be able to work and support my family, and i want to be able to get some sleep at night and not worry about if we are all going to be shot in our beds. i've listened to black south africans blame the whites and whine, whine whine because they won't stand up and try to better their own situation. it's been 14 years since apartheid...get the f*** over it. sa is fast on the road to becoming a third world country and all the blacks in power want to do is blame the white people. oh, and we never had gardeners or any black servants--we did all our housework ourselves, in my family. so don't patronize me. i have to watch my country fall to pieces because of the idiots running it, and know that i will never be able to live there again because i won't be able to support my family. my kids will not return home from their sa schools, they won't speak with an sa accent, and afrikaans will just be "those weird words that papa speaks." it'll just be a place on the map to them, and pictures in a national geographic magazine. they won't be close to their sa grandparents. i loved my country and not being able to bring my family home to it is heartbreaking--but i won't risk their safety and let my kids learn that black people deserve to put one over on them because of previous generations of white people, which they had no control over.
Very interesting read , See how all South Africans feel about our country
I'm a fourth genaration White South African , thinking of imagrating . I've got a good job and qualified , Still i had guests over from Denark , Hell we don't really live life
Our houses are prison's and i'll never walk along late at night after leaving a pub , get in my car as quickly as possible and hope no one robs me or hurts my partner ,
This is a mail i recived to day , I get these at least ounce a week .
When you look into the rearview mirror to reverse out of your parking space, you notice a piece of paper stuck to the middle of the rear window.. So, you shift into neutral, unlock your doors, and jump out of your car to remove that paper (or whatever it is) that is obstructing your view. When you reach the back of your car the hijackers appear out of nowhere, jump into your car and take off.
They practically mow you down as they speed off in your car. And guess what, ladies? Your purse is probably still in the car.
The one gent mentioned Stats of South Africa , Our economy can only be compared with Brazil , natural resources , crime and employment . Begining of this year after our Electricty crisis , oversease investors started moving their money to Brazil , a new Booming economy.
So personaly i think things will get worse in South Africa , you don't need be a genuis to see the Truth . Our corrupt poloticians will rather take a bribe and go for personal gain and the country suffers and the people that live their black or white .
Regards ( Our Country has never been registerd as First world always third world )
i am a 21 year old male living in south africa.. having read most of the posts added here i find myself taking stock of where it is out country is headed and what may become of our living standards..
it amazes me that the racial issue has been brought up and how blacks and whites have to live in hate of each other...
you know what lets focus on what really counts...our intrest rates that are the highest in the world, our petrol prices- the expensis we have on a month to month bases..
i find myself questioning "how the hell am i going to afford to live in south africa?
car payments, rates and taxes, food, rent, water and electricity(exclusive of load shedding) you would need to earn around r12000.00 a month just to get by..
um the main question i pose is how the f***en hell am i supposed to find a job that will pay me such money being white and at age 21 with all the f***en shit going on in "sunny south africa"
getting back to the lady who would like to visit south africa i advise that you experience it but for its beauty being the forna and flora otherwise dont get involved this counrty lets face it has already gone to the shit hole..
i plan to imagrate cause i am not proudly south african and all you hypacrits can say what you want.. this country is f***ed up period!
Kate , the reason why we have emmigration from the UK of the proper English ie: Whites , is because of the racist attitude that prevails against us in our own country , if for example if I sort promotion in my job then although I had over 20 years experiance in that occupation I would be passed over , because compamny & govt. policy states that all persons of foreign or ex-empire colords PAKIS INDIANS or ex slave race are disadvantaged.A lot of us feel outraged at this even the police are powerless to stop crime on our streets incase they overstep the politicle correctness , which unfortunatly pervades every aspect of our society , we hav't even got our free speech any more because of a case upheld by the courts of percieved (the persons feelings were hert) indirect descrimination - just because this person who is islamic and a woman was unsuccesful in getting a job , sued the prospective employer and won £4000.00 or R40,000 in your money , so with this ever increasing attiude and the fact that we are treated as 2nd class citizens in our own country is why so many Brits are leaving Blighty , I hope this clears a few things up for you , incidently murders by black youths on white youths have gone up because they know that the law is powerless to stop them . Don't expect German legions either they are now so afraid of wars , despite being in Afganistan , that are not likley to fire anything other than training blanks these days let alone invade africa.
I would not like to be young and white these days in any country which counts as either civilised , or borderline , recently I met a white Rhodesian in a post office , and even he was surprised at how so far England had gone down the pan , as far as white supremacy goes I'm afraid we no matter where we live in the world , these problems between White and black can only escalate.A story that you will find intresting is that one day at work recently a black member of staff informed me , that he was going to vote National Front in the next UK election , I asked him why? , he said that the NF (the right wing nationalists) were going to pay him £3000.00 or R30000 to return to Gahna when they get into power , my response to this was " If the NAZI party get into govt, the only place you'll be going is 6 feet under ".He was incredulous at the suggestion and was most surprised . In view of your current situation , you could always take up mugging rich blacks.